Well, I got wonderful suggestions from you, and I tried them. I had already been doing the "upside down" method for the beginning, and I continued to use it as I went along. I also tried lightly penciling in his body, and that did help me some. It isn't shaping up to be a perfect copy (again), but then, I know none of these will be. The reason I'm doing them is to glean whatever I can from the process. The other reason I'm doing them is that it's fun .... oh, and one more .... I don't have to come up with an idea of what to draw for awhile, which for me, can be the hardest thing of all to do!